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philo
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: la politik,la science et la religion c qui le maitre? Reply with quote

yamkan ljadalya lakbira li kayna falmojtama3 dyalna l3arabi walli 7ayrat lmofakkirin toul l9oron li dazt hya jadaliat l3a9l walghayb aw bima3na akhr la science et la religion.ba9dar ma lgharb mcha b3id fal7adara dyalou li kant la science hya rakiza l2assassya dyalha ba9dar ma hna tchabbatna balghayb 7atta walaw kan b3id 3la koul 3a9lana wmanti9.wkant l3atifa dayman hya lwassila dyalna toujah dine.ldarajat lma9ola man tamta9a tazanda9a.w7atta ila kan lkol kaykol anna 7adart lgharb machi 7adara li2annaha 7adara bla ro7.radi raj3ou lttarikh l1isslami wan7awlou nchoufouh ba3youn l7a9i9a walwa9i3 b3id 3la koul narjissya fikrya aw 3atifa dinya li kat7araf lina ro2ya l7a9i9ya montali9in man ba3d l2ass2ila li radi na9tar7a 3likoum.wach l3a9l mayatmachach m3a din?wash l3ilm contre dine?wash momkin tkon dawla dinya ?hal errassol kan rajol dawla am rajoul rissala?hal lkholafa2 errachidin 3taw lmital ldawla dinya ennajiha?wach makantch akhta2 fal7okm dyalhoum ?wach man 7a9 inssan 3adi bach yakhlaf nabiy lah?3lash kant lightiyalat lakholafa2?3lash lah 3azza wa jall madkorch lkhilafa fal9or2an?wash yamkan ngolo anna ba3d lmawt dyal rassoul ssiyyassa tghalbat 3la rissala?wabda sira3 kamal bantissar ssiyassa whya li b9at tssoud kima falwa9t l7ali?wfal3assr dyalna wach kant fi3lan dawla teo9ratya(diniya)naji7a?bla sira3 ideologi n7awlou jmi3na na9chou had ljadalya li akhratna 3ala mada tarikh man 3ossor l2in7ittat 7atta lhad l3assr lmo3ach.et merci.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d'abord philo j je trouve que tes sujets parmi les meilleurs sujet fhad site et malgré ca rarement kayjawbek chi wahed jsais pas prkoi??????
ghanbda radd diali bhaja ktebtiha ala wahiya:
w7atta ila kan lkol kaykol anna 7adart lgharb machi 7adara li2annaha 7adara bla ro7
lahadara dialna hna li yemken bla rouh ou plutt mchatliha rouh,koun kanet l7adara lgharbiya bla rou7 ga3 maywesslo l dakchi li wesslo lih f had sa3a,hna les arab ghi kanenta9do lhadarat dial nass lekhrin mais kimma kaygoul lmatal lmeghribi (l9et mnin makaywsselch lkerdass kaygoul khanez)
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benessba lel2ass2ila li trehtiha njaweb 3liha wahed wahed selon mon point de vue:
1=====>wach l3a9l mayatmachach m3a din?: l3a9l kaytmacha m3a din hit islam din 3a9l odin logique a 100% odalil kayen f bezaaaaf men al2ayat lkarima
-lwahy bda b kalimat i9ra2 amr b l9ira2a wtahssil wel3elm
-inamma yakhcha lah men 3ibadihi l3olama2

okimma dker mohammed 3alayhi salat wasalam :al3olama2 waratato al2anbiya2
2=====>wash momkin tkon dawla dinya ?: non jpense pas hit din bouhdo makafich 3lach:hit hna kamosslimin makanteb9ouch din o dakchi li kayen f 9or2an w ssouna ldarajat anna l9or2an wela ghi wassila bach nsseliw ni plus ni moins ;taniyan l3olama2 dialna bayna () hit ma3olama2 ma ta wezzaaa dima kayrej3o bina lour odalil anna nass wesslo fin wesslo achaykh al2azhar mazal wahel frida3
3=====>hal errassol kan rajol dawla am rajoul rissala?:rassoul 3alayhi ssalat wassalam kan rajoul din o ssiyassa o harb prkoi????awalan hna kanthedto 3la inssan men ahssan khal9 lah kamel o mekmoul olkamal lilah 3azza wajal :rassoul 3alayhi salat w salam rajoul rissala ncherha oadaha kama yajib,rajoul dawla hit kan 3la ra2ss 3edat mofawadat f sabil nachr alislam silmiyan ol2amtila 3adida (soulh alhoudaybiya,moubaya3at ahl lmadina lnabiy,rassa2el li b3et biha l9ayssar roum olkissra lfourss oghayrihima)
kan rajoul harb :9ad alghazawat f sabil nachr alisslam otarikh yachhado laho belhinka
donc siyassiyan wa diniyan rassoul kan kamel mekmoul adda ma 3alayhi bkoul it9an sala laho 3alayhi wassalam
4=====>benessba lelkhoulafa2 rachidin kemlo ma bada2aho rassoul koul wahed 3la 9edd dakchi li 3tah lah abeyno amtila b2annahoum rijal din wa ssiyassa fnafss lwa9t odalil anna lfoutouhat wesslat fel3ehd dialhoum lbezzzaf dial almanati9 dial l3alam
wach rtakbo akhta2 wella la????hadi man9derch njawbek 3liha hitt ma3endich ilmam kbir b tarikh dial alkhoulafa2 rachidine
5=====>fel3essr lhali makantch chi dewla diniya omaghatkounch dawla dinya najha prkoi???????car ssiyassa daba ghalba ohada ferdato dourouf dawliya li hna 3aychin fiha et mnt ana ne3ti ra2y diali f khoussouss lwa9t lhali fach 3aychin:
ana kandenn ana men al2ahssan fassl din 3la ssiyassa onthewlo ldawla 3elmaniya ila bghina nemchiw l9eddam bezaaf menkoum ghaygoul had khouna f lah kaykhrbek okayen li ghaymchi oygoul molhed mais hadi darori la boudda menha 3laaaaaaaach?????:
1.mahedna tab3in had l3olama2 diniyin dial 2 deryal li kayftiw 3lina kimma galhoum l3a9l dialhoum rana ghaneb9aw retard orana asslan retard bezaaaaaaaaaf
2.addin asslan makanteb9ouhch kimma ja hit lfou9aha2 dialna ma3endhoumch tafssir sahih l l9or2an ossona nabawiya (chi kaychere9 chi kayghereb)========>dalil madahib bezzaaaf,en plus dial attatarouf dinni li rayej daba ha salafiya ha l9a3ida ohadchi kamel men messlaha dial chou3oub lekhra hit hna hsslin ghi m3a dyawlna odalil 9eddam 3inina f (liban,irac,palestin,..........)
3.dinn khelinah ghi f jwame3 o9raya dial l9r2an fkoul rek3a safi hadchi li kan3erfo f dinn akanb9aw netna9cho f achya2 tafiha(lawah lhijab,lawah rida3a,lawah sla wach nsseli tale9 yeddi wela jam3houm,lawah tayamoum)

maheddna chadin f din haka 3wej jamais ntefrouha aghanb9aw dima lour lour dima nass ssab9inna

lahouma nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa onkherjoulha direct o akbar mital 3la hada houwa turkya chouf fin wesslat ohna mazalin kimma kenna kant9edmo ghi fnessbat lfa9r,olbitala,orachwa,olfassad.........

et merci
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: la politik,la science et la religion c qui le maitre? Reply with quote

salam alkhout

comme évoqué par khay hamidou un sujet trop interessant mais kif l3ada c philo tfalsif kharaj 3lih

lmohim lmodakhala dial khay hamidou kanet fmahalha et raisonnable dial , mais je ne peux concevoir un etat séparée de din le coran est notre dostour, car on restera tjr musulmans et c pas pas la religion qui ralentis notre progrés econmique wala culturel au contraire on applique mal notre religion et par conséquent on paye le résultat
de plus yaurait plus de limites sur certains domaines et tt péché serait permis
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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c pas pas la religion qui ralentis notre progrés econmique wala culturel au contraire on applique mal notre religion

pour cette raison lahnniiina il faut nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa bach nzido l9eddam
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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c pas pas la religion qui ralentis notre progrés econmique wala culturel au contraire on applique mal notre religion

pour cette raison lahnniiina il faut nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa bach nzido l9eddam



et pourkoi pas associé ces 2 critères pour aboutir a un resultat sur sans mettre à l'écart notre religion
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hamidmaroc4ever wrote:

il faut nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa bach nzido l9eddam

no khouya mamtafe9ch m3ak fi had nno9ta
nchoufo ghir ttarikh mlli kan ddin motabba9 3ala lwajh ssa7i7 o
kano lmouslimin dbessa7 kif kant ddawla l2islamiya???
notre islam howa ddin lw7id lli chomouli mn ilah mon sifatih lkamal
law annaho konna ntab9o 9awanin l9or2an wa ssonna fi l7okm
ssiyassa l9ada2 ..........fi chatta lmajalat tatbi9 kamil kama ja2
ga3 mankouno fi had lmostawa min ttakhallof wa tta2akhor
robbama tgoul hadak chi kan 9dim aw l7adara katbaddel
rangoullik rja3 l9or2an wa ssona ratl9a anna had ddin kaynaddem
7ayat lmoslimin fi kol l3ousour ............
en bref:
lli fi ydhom ssolta homa lli mataytab9ouch l2islam fi tasyir l7ayat
kama ta3lam kano 7armo ba3d l3ouloum nadaran li2anna katfatte7
3ou9oul nnas ........o kan kol man tabbe3 had l3ouloum ramawho bi zindi9 Sad
merci philo pour le sujet
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lahniina26 wrote:
hamidmaroc4ever wrote:
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c pas pas la religion qui ralentis notre progrés econmique wala culturel au contraire on applique mal notre religion

pour cette raison lahnniiina il faut nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa bach nzido l9eddam



et pourkoi pas associé ces 2 critères pour aboutir a un resultat sur sans mettre à l'écart notre religion

actuellement on peut pas associé ces deux critères car on a pas des bonne 3olama au niveau de la religion qui peuvent nous aider a associé les deux c ce que jpense personnelemnt mais je sais pas esperons que c possible mais cela ne va pas se realiser pour le moment
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hamidmaroc4ever wrote:
lahniina26 wrote:
hamidmaroc4ever wrote:
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c pas pas la religion qui ralentis notre progrés econmique wala culturel au contraire on applique mal notre religion

pour cette raison lahnniiina il faut nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa bach nzido l9eddam



et pourkoi pas associé ces 2 critères pour aboutir a un resultat sur sans mettre à l'écart notre religion

actuellement on peut pas associé ces deux critères car on a pas des bonne 3olama au niveau de la religion qui peuvent nous aider a associé les deux c ce que jpense personnelemnt mais je sais pas esperons que c possible mais cela ne va pas se realiser pour le moment



khay hamidou je dac sur tt ce que tas dis mais mana9at3och lyass rabi kbir je prefere quon est espoire wala rien fhamtini ama ila 9ta3na 3ala9atna m3a din rah ratkon karita kbira 3la bladna
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lahniina26 wrote:
hamidmaroc4ever wrote:
lahniina26 wrote:
hamidmaroc4ever wrote:
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c pas pas la religion qui ralentis notre progrés econmique wala culturel au contraire on applique mal notre religion

pour cette raison lahnniiina il faut nfesslo bin din o ssiyassa bach nzido l9eddam



et pourkoi pas associé ces 2 critères pour aboutir a un resultat sur sans mettre à l'écart notre religion

actuellement on peut pas associé ces deux critères car on a pas des bonne 3olama au niveau de la religion qui peuvent nous aider a associé les deux c ce que jpense personnelemnt mais je sais pas esperons que c possible mais cela ne va pas se realiser pour le moment



khay hamidou je dac sur tt ce que tas dis mais mana9at3och lyass rabi kbir je prefere quon est espoire wala rien fhamtini ama ila 9ta3na 3ala9atna m3a din rah ratkon karita kbira 3la bladna

kantmenaw men lah yethe9e9 had al2amal prkoi pas
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: la politik,la science et la religion c qui le maitre? Reply with quote

premierement kanachkar l2ikhwan 3la had l2ara2 l9ayyima. kayn des observation bghit ngolhom a lkhout :galt l2okht lahnina l etat khass tkon dinya.wgal l2akh folio anna dine howa bikhtissar nidam 7ayat kamil wamotakamil.walakin hatta wahd ma3tana lmachro3 ssiyassi ya3ni kifach tkon had dawla wash kaykon khalifa wash montakhab man cha3b.whad lkhalifa wash hatta howa kayat7assab.wanidam dimo9rati wakha laik fach kaykhalf dine ana hna kantafa9 m3a l2akh hamid l3ilmanya hya l7al donc dimo9ratya par ce que dine mass1ala chakhssiya walmojtama3at l3arabya fiha massi7iyyin whatta yahod wlamma ngolo dawla isslamya ma3nah kana9ssiw jouz2 mouhim man lmowatinine bal2iddafa l3ddat 9awmiyat okhra.tomma anna dine mo9addass wa siyassa modannassa fassiyyassa momkin l7akim yaltaja2 lalkhod3a lakin fadin lkhida3 7aram 7atta ma3a l3adouw tomma anna ila kan khalifa ghaliban ma l3amma katkhallat ma bin dine walmotadayyin wkatassba7 ay mo3arada lal7akm hya mo3ara laddin fnadar 3amat nass.kayn li kayafham la2ikya annaha contre din mais c faux dine kayab9a fla societé mais mayab9ach fassayassa.ana fnadari hna kant akbar ghalta rtakbouha lmouslimine bimojarrad wafat rassol(sa)wfnadari rassoul lam yakoun rajoul dawla bal rajoul rissala li2anna rasoul jamais 9ma3 lmo3arada dyalou jamais chna9 li tab3inou ya3ni jamais dar 7aja li kaydirouha l7okkam wkan kayna9ch sa7aba fikol kabira wasaghira f2omor l7arb wal7ayat walakin sarim f2awamir lah (coran).walakin kan dima kayad3i lattassamou7 walfadila hatta walaw kalfou had chi 7yatou.toma anna 3abiltou 3ardou 3lih ykon malik w9al non.whada kayban annahou makanch ssiyassi.amma tarikh l2isslami man ba3d wafat rassoul.kan abou bakr sa7ib rasol wabhad sifa sbah rajol dawla wahna makman lkhata2 li adda lma soumya lfitna lkobra.kanou lmo3aridine li afkar abi bakr wa abou bakr samahoum bilmortaddine wahna sba7 rajol ssiyassa bimtiyaz(3ax rasol _sa.wman tamma n9assmou lmousslimine wbdat lfitan katakbar rir bachwiya wat9atlou lmousslimin fima baynahoum.wjat al2ightiyalat dyal lkholafa2 man ba3d dalil 3la lfitan ssiyyassya.(hna fkol tarikhna kan9addssou sa7aba whada khata2 9atil.essa7aba bachar wa nachwat solta wal7okm moughrya man hna kayadharlia khassna nabdaw pour l objectivité par ce que hna bghina nakharjou man tarikh l9adassa . wkan7awlou ndirou etta7lil lfikri li 9darna 3lih bach nakharjou bnatija wal7amdou lillah afkar b7al dyal l2ikhwan hamid folio wal2okht lahnina 9adrin yawasslo bina lnatija li t7addadd lkol wahd tri dyal lfikr dyalou tijah dinou w3a9lou fnafss lwa9t. et merci enormement
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philo sujet interessant
li brit ngoul fhad lmawdou3:
din islami din 3ilm wa siyassa, na3tik mital lincoln ra2iss dyal america o wahad usa men ba3d kanet fil harb ahliya, lincoln akhda l9anoun faransi anadak o tab9o, o l9anoun lfaranssi anadak, tkhad men limam chafi3i o hadi ha9i9a.

katib 3arabi gal nsit smayto:" la yatasawa al kofro wal iman, walkin 9ad yatasawa alkofro wal 9anoun"

l9awanin dyal dawla matalan f dowal isalmiya fiha jouj 9awanin wad3iya wa 9awanin ilahiya men kitab wa sona.
fi dowal rabiya 3andhom ri l9awanin wad3iya li 9abila l taryir, o ma3andhomch 9awanin men lkitab liana dinhom tharaf o kola marra kaykharjo injil jdid ola torat jdid dakchi a3lach 3andhom madahim mokhtalifa, o kol madhab 3andhom howa din f had dato.


o ahdarti a3la dimo9ratiya, likandon howa kalima rarbiya o makayench ta3rif moda9a9 lhad laklima, kol dawla 3andha 9wanin dyalha, okol dawla 3andha dimo9ratiya mokhtalifa a3la dawla tanya.

o a3la sina mohammad sala allaho 3alyhi wassalm. 9raw chwiya ahna
http://books.google.com/books?id=OVc1Gg6xjuoC&pg=PA53&ots=xEZCSZv2fD&dq=mohammed+prophet+and+politics&sig=mUeDVG17qS3l5Fy0ChJLuYupauI#PPA55,M1

ama binisba l abou baker kan khalifa o machi hint kan dai9 rsoul allah, li anaho 9bel maymout rasoul allah ma3ayanch ahta chi wahed o kan likhilaf chouk li radi ikoun khalifa wach ali bno abi talib ola abou baker sidi9.
ali kan men solalt rsoul, o abou bakr kan men a9rab sahab l rasoul sla allaho 3alyhi wassalam.
o had l9adiya makan 3andha ahta chi 3ala9a b siyassa, ri l9aba9il akhtalfat chkoun li radi ikoun khalifa

o binisba li siyassa wadin, fadin howa siyassa kharija a3la tabi9 siyassi li kaymarsouh siyassiyin li howa fi lkadib wa nifa9 o rir chwiya dyal ma39oul,

kholasat l9awl:
moslimim madayrinch majhoud kafi bach yantaf3o b din islami, la men nahiya dyal tabi9o f siyassa la men nahiya dyal l3ilm. li anaho kol mas2oul kay9alab a3la maslaha chakhsiya dyalo b3ida a3la lwajib dyalo. o kadalik mowatinin 3aychin f wahed ljahl (fi dowal islamiy) o omiya
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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moslimim madayrinch majhoud kafi bach yantaf3o b din islami, la men nahiya dyal tabi9o f siyassa la men nahiya dyal l3ilm. li anaho kol mas2oul kay9alab a3la maslaha chakhsiya dyalo b3ida a3la lwajib dyalo. o kadalik mowatinin 3aychin f wahed ljahl (fi dowal islamiy) o omiya

bonne conclusion khouya karim lah yerdi 3lik c ca notre probleme c qu'on fait pas d'effort pour utiliser mieux notre religion et ce probleme est du a nos fou9aha2,nos responsable,et a nous aussi.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

c chacun de ns se responsabilise et se met en cause lokan raha loma islamya bikhir
une chose philo loccident a pu séparer letat de dine pourquoi? hit la mojrité de la population est laic elle ny croit plus alors chez ns c tte a fait le contraire ba9yine matchabtine bdina walaw bwahed l9adr bsit
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lahniina26 wrote:
c chacun de ns se responsabilise et se met en cause lokan raha loma islamya bikhir
une chose philo loccident a pu séparer letat de dine pourquoi? hit la mojrité de la population est laic elle ny croit plus alors chez ns c tte a fait le contraire ba9yine matchabtine bdina walaw bwahed l9adr bsit

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nb:lahniina jt'ai laissé un truc f voice mail hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh c pour toi suita ta demande soeur. j'espere t3ejbek Wink
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